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Someone asked where to find the podcast. It's at the bottom of their webpage: https://clearlyclinical.com/podcast/ceu-therapy-termination-grief

If you are searching this podcast in your usual podcast app, The show is called, Light Up the Couch.

Here's from the podcast I used, Snipd:

https://share.snipd.com/episode/f5784a77-b452-4a88-9f15-bdc82edc854b

And here's the link in Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1JyKmiHNjAxyTI56Vop3Gr?si=hWax_uaBStqJ4v_8-yG7iw

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